"SWEET SPOT" CPU BATTLE!! Ryzen 3600 vs. i5-10400

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The Intel Core i5-10400 is competitively priced with the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 while featuring the same thread count, but how does its performance stack up?
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Best sweet spot CPU under $200

Ali Rahimi Hajiabadi
Ali Rahimi Hajiabadi 4 цагийн өмнө
Something to consider is that some people use the cpu for things other than gaming or video editing. The 10400 has a respectable iGPU and can be utilized without paying at least 100$ for a gpu just to get video output from the ryzen. I'm a programmer with no interest in games and care about the CPU performance a bit so not going for an Intel 10th gen i3 or ryzen 3200G but I think the 10400 is a sweet spot because I don't need to spend 100$ to buy an old GPU with no return value for me to use a ryzen 3600 and I get acceptable CPU performance with the 10400 and the iGPU can run IDEs and code editors on 2 monitors
Anand Shah
Anand Shah Өдрийн өмнө
If you are under budget, Intel is still the choice because AMD is pushing up prices and you don't need dual channel RAM really with Intel. Plus you can now pair it with a cheap H410 motherboard because you wouldn't be overclocking anyways. I am surprised why no one mentions this. And almost all budget gamers never upgrade their CPUs so Ryzen mobo compatibility is just not useful. And Intel 10th gen is basically Ryzen 3rd gen core/thread wise. And nobody cares about power usage when buying a GPU, and Intel non-OC models aren't too hot either. People will save more money by buying an Intel now, if they don't care about upgradability, power efficiency etc.
muhamad rizki
muhamad rizki Өдрийн өмнө
in my country intel i5 10400 is cheaper than ryzen 5 3600
jose san roman
jose san roman Өдрийн өмнө
ok, this video is already 5 months old but which of this do you think I should get and with what mobo? considering the i5 its cheaper
I just got a 10400 a few days ago only because there was a deal. Every single one of my build parts involved AMD. I'm def satisfied with the intel though.
Arvin tabisula
Arvin tabisula 2 өдрийн өмнө
Intel: i9 10900k over cook + DUEL RTX 3090 = Wapping 1000+ watts. Microwave Oven: Okay let's talk about Electrical Bill for the next month.
Loco Papi
Loco Papi 5 өдрийн өмнө
Stephanie Broadwater
Stephanie Broadwater 5 өдрийн өмнө
3600 still a great cpu right?
Motörhead 6 өдрийн өмнө
This video is of course made on AMD side, i5 is better in all ways, yes more power hungry but better performance. I'm not AMD hater, I use AMD graphics card with Intel CPU, I have a RX 5500xt paired with a i5 9400f. AMD pays a lot of MNpostrs review their CPUs and say good things about. Is 2020 this how adds are made... But trust me go always with Intel for CPUs. Is more reliable, yes mayabe the stock coolers are not the best but this is not the point. I not saying AMD CPUs are worse, I'm saying just they never will above Intel. Is like compare a idk, a Lamborghini with a BMW, both are premium but the Lamborghini is faster, not made for traffic etc, while the BMW is fast too but not as Lamborghini, but is good for urban roads.
BennyBot 7 өдрийн өмнө
U found a i5 for 140 should I cop
Mrityunjay 11 өдрийн өмнө
Nuclear reactor 😂😂
semlan killen
semlan killen 11 өдрийн өмнө
I guess you already noticed it but I think you should have realised that something was VERY wrong when you got 350W reading and the tiny cpu cooler was not melting, the fan was not going up in flames and the cpu didn´t melt through the motherboard.
Nickz S.L.
Nickz S.L. 12 өдрийн өмнө
I know this is late, but Between 10400/10400f with 3600, which one is better for gaming and streaming at the same time?
Jennen - Music
Jennen - Music 13 өдрийн өмнө
yo why did that display port cable have a mcdonald’s logo
Gildarik 14 өдрийн өмнө
The MSI MPG Pro Carbon WiFi absolutely sucks, just as you weren't able to use the 4000mhz XMP profile for your RAM on it, I wasn't able to use my 3600mhz XMP profile without dropping down the voltage slightly, and sacrificing a bit of CPU OC headroom. It's an absolutely pathetic, yet very expensive board
Habeeb Dhahir
Habeeb Dhahir 15 өдрийн өмнө
@Bitwit i am planning to build a pc and power consumption is a big to me and i was nat sure which one of these 2 is the one for me but thanks to u i know the 3600 is the one for me . now i need your help to pic amd GPU or nvidia (1660 / 2060) at this range . and the same with sdd (m.2 vs sata) as a power consumption comparison am planning to get air cooler nat a water cooler for the same E consumption reason and no RGB as well for the same reason ofc a good power efficiency PSU as well thx for the vid and the info. i hop u do that vid before i by and discover it myself the hard way :)
Dan Santos
Dan Santos 15 өдрийн өмнө
No one: Ryzen: smh not even clos
Jason Vyncke
Jason Vyncke 15 өдрийн өмнө
Ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7 2700?
Hemant Kumar
Hemant Kumar 16 өдрийн өмнө
The problem with intel is upgrade path using same motherboard.
Jaivon Jenkins
Jaivon Jenkins 17 өдрийн өмнө
ashes of the singularity should have shown that optimization is key or at least something devs should consider more. But the tdp is so low on the ryzen, I would like to think some how using more could result in better results ! lol im going with the ryzen as is more cores and may help with budget streaming but thats just me
Prototype 81
Prototype 81 17 өдрийн өмнө
Pretty sure my 6700k only has 4 cores but still rocks it.
Not Available
Not Available 17 өдрийн өмнө
wake me up before you go go
Trent 18 өдрийн өмнө
I build a Ryzen 3400g system for my church so they can stream their services. From what I hear, it runs well and it can stream 720p at 60 frames. I was hoping it could do 1080p but apparently the church internet can't handle it.
Ordinary GP
Ordinary GP 18 өдрийн өмнө
Short Answer: The Ryzen 5 3600 Choke Slams the i5 10400 in all productivity tasks, and the i5 10400 Consistently gets 3-5 FPS More in Intel favoring titles!
Ordinary GP
Ordinary GP 16 өдрийн өмнө
@Doctor Squidman imagine deleting your comment, and my point holds true, AND wins IN ALL PRODUCTIVITY TASKS, AMD wouldn't be so big right now if they were so much worse, the 3600 bests the 10400 in most tests, and that's a fact, so please stop destroying my notifications Intel Fanboy
Doctor Squidman
Doctor Squidman 16 өдрийн өмнө
It literally won in every single game he tested lmao not "intel favoring titles" amd fanboy
PeterMac83 18 өдрийн өмнө
10400 is cooler. better option to small cases like HTPC.
Joven Macasaquit
Joven Macasaquit 18 өдрийн өмнө
Is it worth it to get i5 10400? And what games it can play and what resolution
Joven Macasaquit
Joven Macasaquit 16 өдрийн өмнө
@Doctor Squidman i mean don't you think it doesn't need an gpu anymore? I underestimated intel i5 10th gen
Doctor Squidman
Doctor Squidman 16 өдрийн өмнө
@Joven Macasaquit What do you mean by it doesnt need a gpu anymore?? the 10400 can run any game, games are more gpu dependent than cpu..
Joven Macasaquit
Joven Macasaquit 16 өдрийн өмнө
@Doctor Squidman for real bro? Do you think it doesn't need a gpu anymore?
Doctor Squidman
Doctor Squidman 16 өдрийн өмнө
any game any resolution
Spray 19 өдрийн өмнө
Bruh wadafack is a 14 nanometer
Cl0vxr 18 өдрийн өмнө
Roger Plummer
Roger Plummer 19 өдрийн өмнө
Dude you have 2.1 MILLION subs HIRE A CAMERA MAN for Gods sakes.
Zuck Daddy
Zuck Daddy 19 өдрийн өмнө
Is it possible to disable TurboBoost in the 10400 so that you can BCLK OC it to its boost clock speed and not have to worry about it boosting into unstable speeds?
blake baker
blake baker 19 өдрийн өмнө
But Kyle, nuclear reactors produce power
blake baker
blake baker 16 өдрийн өмнө
@donutdoode69 not all that much if you compare that to the resources used by fossil fuel burning power sources. That and nuclear fuels are very niche chemical agents without many other uses. The only true downsides to nuclear power are 1.) Danger and 2.) Storing waste
donutdoode69 16 өдрийн өмнө
But they consume a lot of natural resources to produce that power
Dumitrescu Denisa Magdalena
Dumitrescu Denisa Magdalena 20 өдрийн өмнө
The fact that you didnt take into account the lower ram speeds for a b460 mobo is just annoying. I ill just take the r5 3600 as gamers nexus pointed to be a better options because of the limitation.
Micke 20 өдрийн өмнө
Hmm, So nuclear reactors consume power? xD Thought they generated power! Haha Interesting test this one!
matias becerra
matias becerra 16 өдрийн өмнө
Theres no free Energy bruh, you just move it around
Caleb M
Caleb M 19 өдрийн өмнө
Net power consumption is negative but gross power consumption is very high.
gabriel ouellet
gabriel ouellet 20 өдрийн өмнө
300$ canadien for a 1600 rip
Deep Senpai
Deep Senpai 20 өдрийн өмнө
Thee shal remain in grave.
Deep Senpai
Deep Senpai 20 өдрийн өмнө
That fucking ram
Prabhakar Dhar
Prabhakar Dhar 20 өдрийн өмнө
legends learn things by watching videos ultra Legends learn things by watching comment section
Nikola Majkić
Nikola Majkić 21 өдрийн өмнө
10400 support only 2666 not 2999 its for i7 and i9
Martin Insley
Martin Insley 21 өдрийн өмнө
Another thing to consider is that the 3600 includes a pretty decent cooler, the i5 does not
Doctor Squidman
Doctor Squidman 16 өдрийн өмнө
@Martin Insley How? I use the stock cooler on my 9400f, never goes past like 63-64c even while gaming at 1440p.. That's like 10-15 degrees cooler than a Ryzen lol
Martin Insley
Martin Insley 16 өдрийн өмнө
@Doctor Squidman i said a decent cooler, the stock cooler for the i5 is pretty terrible
Doctor Squidman
Doctor Squidman 16 өдрийн өмнө
Yes it does lol what are you talking about. heatsink and fan are included with the 10400 or any non-K processor..
Noob Tech
Noob Tech 21 өдрийн өмнө
AMD wins.. What a magic Lisa Su you are!!
The Damn Train
The Damn Train 22 өдрийн өмнө
How lucky of you that live in us, you have fat salaries and all pc components are way cheaper for us the r5 is over 260 dollars
Milan Patel
Milan Patel 22 өдрийн өмнө
Damn after the rtx 3000 series launch the rtx 2070 super looks so thin
stevo1354 23 өдрийн өмнө
Its all fun and games with the 9400 until u run other applications in the background like discord. That is where the 3600 shines with its 12 threads
AQUA_PANDA 23 өдрийн өмнө
Lol the ryzen 5 is better but the one that he has the normal 3600 the i5 is better but if you spend 10$ more to get more frames with the ryzen 5 3600x or spend 40$ more to get even higher frames with the ryzen 5xt so yea with those two ryzen cpu they would be a lot better than the i5 10th gen 10040k lol
Hicham Gouchida
Hicham Gouchida 24 өдрийн өмнө
Hello Give Me The Old GTX1660Super Please 🔥
Joseph Stalin
Joseph Stalin 24 өдрийн өмнө
the i5 is also much cheaper in nz
&#160 24 өдрийн өмнө
2:46 3:17 xD
Adam Ramirez
Adam Ramirez 24 өдрийн өмнө
It's too bad the R5 3600 costs 255 USD in my country 😕
আহমদ ইর্তিজা
আহমদ ইর্তিজা 25 өдрийн өмнө
Answer: R3 3300X
Gabriel De La Cruz
Gabriel De La Cruz 25 өдрийн өмнө
That's what I went with AMD 3600 quisi budget build.
Dallas Talley
Dallas Talley 26 өдрийн өмнө
Everytime you make a price video the price doubles so if you could like not
Daz555Daz 28 өдрийн өмнө
I'd by AMD regardless simply because of how much Intel screwed consumers in the last decade.
Gamer Torq
Gamer Torq 29 өдрийн өмнө
Can i stream and game at a time using 10400?
Doctor Squidman
Doctor Squidman 16 өдрийн өмнө
Ak47 Сарын өмнө
it'll work faster with 3200 ram
Pabz Roz
Pabz Roz 25 өдрийн өмнө
Not nearly as well as a ryzen 5 3600 could. No.
Raptor 171
Raptor 171 Сарын өмнө
Hmm right they say Intel is good for gaming Amd is good for everything
SMR0M Сарын өмнө
Thumbnail: Under $200 COVID: hi
hasal hussain
hasal hussain Сарын өмнө
"UNDER 200 DOLLAR" covid: haha prices go brrr
donutdoode69 16 өдрийн өмнө
I got my 3600 for under $200
svaiskau Сарын өмнө
Which motherboard did you use for the 10400? Was it that MSI Z490 Godlike? I suspect the memory speed limits of B460 and H470 (the boards that really should be paired with a chip like this) entirely kill the gaming value prop. These raw performance comparisons are fine, I guess, but when you talk about value-oriented chips, the actual budget matters a lot.
Milos Trickovic
Milos Trickovic Сарын өмнө
why do I gravitate towards Intel?!?!
Pabz Roz
Pabz Roz 25 өдрийн өмнө
Cuz ya like to waste money? idk
Andrija Сарын өмнө
In my country ryzen is 180 euros while intel is 150. To me, cause ill be gaming the most, intel seems like the way to go.
lucifer 73
lucifer 73 Сарын өмнө
i5 9400f vs Ryzen 5 2600? I'll mainly play Modded Minecraft and AAA fps and rpg games
Bandbox Gaming
Bandbox Gaming Сарын өмнө
This is How Many Times He Hit The Box With His Finger [ ] V
Playboi Aim
Playboi Aim Сарын өмнө
Not even a battle 3600 is a clear winner
1DA17CS184_V.Vanlalchhanhima Сарын өмнө
Intel are such an adiot. I thought they are going to make 6core 12 thread already for the 9th gen. But no waited another gen , now its too late. Every body buy ryzen now. Lol . ( i guess they deserve it for stagnating the world of computing because theres not competition )
TakeMyButter Сарын өмнө
i thought nuclear reactors made power
redneck1st Сарын өмнө
I'm considering a build using the Amd Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 ghz 6 core processor and an Asus Rog Strix B550 -F Gaming (with Wifi) ATX AM4 motherboard. Now the Ryzen chip descriptions says "4 2 GHz max boost unlocked for overclocking 35 MB of game cache DDR4 3200 support" the motherboard supports up to 4400mhz ram. Now would I have problems if I were to run 16 gigs of 3600 ram in this setup?
redneck1st 24 өдрийн өмнө
@Pabz Roz Typo corrected. LOL
Pabz Roz
Pabz Roz 24 өдрийн өмнө
@redneck1st 3080 GPU lol not CPU
redneck1st 24 өдрийн өмнө
@Pabz Roz Yes I seen that today as well that I held off my build. Not to mention that the 3080 GPU's sold out So I've got to wait for them
Pabz Roz
Pabz Roz 25 өдрийн өмнө
No you wouldnt have any problems at all. although i would hold off on buying the ryzen 5 3600 just yet. AMD is launching their new ryzen cpus at the end of October and they are supposed to be much faster for the same price.
Dzic Senpai
Dzic Senpai Сарын өмнө
the i5 cant be oc so you dont need a motherboard for oc which is a +... is it really tho???
Jwan Resho
Jwan Resho Сарын өмнө
When benchmarking it says lower is beter, i guess you meant better...
Ben Medrano
Ben Medrano Сарын өмнө
I’m watching this while still using a Ryzen 5 1600
legatto stacatto
legatto stacatto Сарын өмнө
Where can I find that black thing above the workbench? That's cool to assemble computers.
SamsNotSans Сарын өмнө
the fact that you can overclock the 3600 makes it better for gaming, streaming and editing? Edit: if you couldn't tell this was a terrible constructed question
Pabz Roz
Pabz Roz 25 өдрийн өмнө
@SamsNotSans no problem man any questions at all feel free to ask
SamsNotSans 25 өдрийн өмнө
@Pabz Roz Thank you man! Thanks alot
Pabz Roz
Pabz Roz 25 өдрийн өмнө
3600 automatically boosts to overclocked 4.2ghz. No overclocking nessesary. those numbers you saw would stay the same even if you tried to overclock. streaming and editing ryzen 3600 would be the MUCH better choice. gaming as well since intel will only give u a few extra frames. its a no brainer go with amd.
JACK04 _
JACK04 _ Сарын өмнө
I missed out on a pc with Ryzen 3600 with 2700 16gb 3200mgh for 900$ 😑
Pabz Roz
Pabz Roz 25 өдрийн өмнө
@JACK04 _ what the hell is a 2700? never heard of that gpu before.
JACK04 _
JACK04 _ 25 өдрийн өмнө
Pabz Roz yes the gpu
Pabz Roz
Pabz Roz 25 өдрийн өмнө
priyanshu sarangi
priyanshu sarangi Сарын өмнө
In short,Intel wins.
Pabz Roz
Pabz Roz 25 өдрийн өмнө
you should do stand up hahahaha
do loop
do loop Сарын өмнө
At the price point the f bersion of intel is more exciting
Pabz Roz
Pabz Roz 25 өдрийн өмнө
Maple Nation
Maple Nation Сарын өмнө
Still cheaper to buy amd.. cost 10$+ more for intel 10400, then the motherboards cost 2x the amount for the features I get on a b550, and finally amd is just overall better for the long term due to their guarenteed support for 4th gen ryzen chips.
rockify25 Сарын өмнө
The guy is a genius
Infinite Stratos
Infinite Stratos Сарын өмнө
is it posible to benchmark the Memory and Cache speed? Intel look like far far faster memory and cache bandwith compared to AMD
Daniel Zuluaga Morales
Daniel Zuluaga Morales Сарын өмнө
there is a big fail on the comparasion, its on ram speed for the money spent, i mean, we know you cant put 3600mhz ram for the same price builts there, then 3600 is clear winner there because the 10400 with 2666 mhz ram is way slower when gaming.
aznguyen316 Сарын өмнө
Thanks for mentioning this. I wanted to comment the same thing. You can’t even overclock ram on non Z490 boards. Hopefully this gets mentioned more.
Siddharth Sharma
Siddharth Sharma Сарын өмнө
GA HyperNova
GA HyperNova 2 сарын өмнө
Intel F Redemption. And here I was like every other pleb, thinking of switching to affordable AMD platform.
samx 2 сарын өмнө
I like the metal music
memix 2 сарын өмнө
Damn that’s some bright ass ram rip waattaggge
Aditya Bendi
Aditya Bendi 2 сарын өмнө
please reply, is the intel stock fan sufficient or is it recommended to buy a seperate fan?
F-22raptor Сарын өмнө
For 10400 its fine
Ryzen Division
Ryzen Division 2 сарын өмнө
the locked intel 10400 cpu can still do 2933 right, but the Ryzne x570/B550/b450 setup can do 3200/ ( ALL zen2 (3000) based Ryzen have a 3200 Mhz Native ddr4 Memory controller in the i/o die, so all amd zen2 cpus can do 3200 + even 3600 is sweet spot intel shoue have allowed 3200+
Nostalgic memories
Nostalgic memories 2 сарын өмнө
my 3600 ryzen and 1660 ti works ok on games, get ultra on all games today on 1080p 60 fps, but i have problem with ryzen cpu, until i turned SMT off i got multiple crashes during gaming and even watching movies/youtube... its great value for money, but since amd dont show cpu temp and SMT is bugged i think i will go for nvidia cpu next time, they work cooler and i relaly dont need that SMT...
Ivan Samuelson
Ivan Samuelson 2 сарын өмнө
If I turn off vsynch, I was getting well over 120 fps on many AAA games on my 3600 and 1660 (non-ti). Might want to check your set up? If you're NOT getting temps, then sounds like you have something either faulty with the MB or you don't have everything set up correctly? I can't say for sure as I can only go by what you are saying and what I am seeing. AMD Ryzen 5 3600 w/stock cooler ASUS nVidia GeForce 1660 TUF 2x8 DDR4 2400 (hey, I was on a budget by the wife) ;) Gigabyte B450M DS3H motherboard Corsair TX650M Gold PSU Corsair 110R Mid-tower Running many games on Ultra and with locked vsync, I get 60 fps over all, but definitely with no vsync, I can definitely get over 100 FPS.
Yaroslav Chernyshov
Yaroslav Chernyshov 2 сарын өмнө
9600k is sold for $170 now
SiqFix 2 сарын өмнө
Reason why Ryzen chips run so hot is because the motherboards at default have it at 1.35-1.45v stock. I’m using a AMD Wraith Spire RGB running my Ryzen 5 3600 at 1.15v at 4GHz and I get 50-60c max temps while gaming.
TommyJLion 2 сарын өмнө
Cooler means durable. I always choose a cooler CPU. All AMD products are too hot to test yet.
ZerolFx12 2 сарын өмнө
Hey i found something about ICUE and ryzen 3600, if you leave it running your pc will never idle will keep the cores speed high and voltage at 1.36ish, maybe it does this for all cpus but i didint know, now my pc runs at idle for the first time since shutting icue off, temps went down too from 49 to 42ish bruh wth. posting here in case someone has it downloaded and are experiencing high core voltage and dont know what is causing it.
RuLo Qnunc
RuLo Qnunc 2 сарын өмнө
I tough you gonna put s**ty music, i was so surprise 💜
Moatasim Shaikh
Moatasim Shaikh 2 сарын өмнө
Oh boii just got my PC parts yesterday after literally 3-4months of waiting because of covid my PC is 10400fwith gagabyte motherboard and wifi/Bluetooth card rtx 2060 6gb gddr6 16gb ram ddr Before I had a i7 3770 gtx 660ti 4+4ddr3 ram and a WiFi card if u have a budget under 200$ this is the best PC I can get 40-60fps on fortnite in 720p medium settings while streaming 720p 60fps
T.j. Land
T.j. Land 2 сарын өмнө
Remember guys, the 3600 isn’t overclocked. Need to pay more money to overclock on intel
Dei 2 сарын өмнө
Am4 motherboard is getting expensive
Cranky69 2 сарын өмнө
Why ppl drink 10000$ Dom Pérignon champange and not some cheep shi*??? Coz they can...
justair44 2 сарын өмнө
I upgrade alot of computers and wanted to move a couple to the 3600. Unfortunately it was sold out here so I went with the 10400F.(no onboard video) Good CPU considering they were on 4th Gen intel i5s and it's reasonably fast coming in $40 CAD cheaper than the 3600 which is sold out here. I didn't want to move to the 3600X.. as the price difference was just to much. My take on it, if you are not overclocking and looking at this price range than something like the 10400F is for you. That's coming from a AMD fan who has experience with almost all of the Ryzen lineup.
Ken'zaki Gameplay
Ken'zaki Gameplay 2 сарын өмнө
can i5 10400 + RX 570 run with 430Watt PSU?
justair44 2 сарын өмнө
I had no problems with a 500w psu and a 580. The system was drawing less than 300w most of the time with 2 hard drives, 16G of ram, 1 M2 and 3 fans. The 10400F i was using had no onboard video and is a cheaper variant to the 10400.
Saar Namir
Saar Namir 2 сарын өмнө
8:00 do nuclear reactors consume or produce power?
Memey Corny
Memey Corny 2 сарын өмнө
In my country the 3600 costs 250$ and the 10400 costs $300 I guess I know what I should buy
Frostfire 2 сарын өмнө
"They're gonna hop down to 10nm or 7nm soon" That did not age well.
donutdoode69 16 өдрийн өмнө
Branden's Outdoor Channel
Branden's Outdoor Channel 2 сарын өмнө
AMD wins at productivity Intel wins at gaming performance.
Ivan Samuelson
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@Chingo Too bad you assume things.
Chingo Сарын өмнө
Ivan Samuelson you look broke asf.. anyway i wont make you said anymore
Ivan Samuelson
Ivan Samuelson Сарын өмнө
@Chingo LOL. No bottleneck. What I have works just fine. I'm not a high-end PC gamer. The Ryzen 5 3600 is what I need and so is the GPU. As I said, I use the PC for more than just gaming as I am a developer, so I the PC is used for other things.
Chingo Сарын өмнө
Ivan Samuelson hopefully you get out of your wallet bottleneck
Ivan Samuelson
Ivan Samuelson Сарын өмнө
@Chingo And that's great for you. For me, it's not glitchy but then, I don't play on-line FPS and I'm sure eventually I'll get a higher refreshed monitor, but for me, what I have works for me and that's what counts. Whatever works for each person. The main thing is, we have choices. :)
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